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For my part, I honestly Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 4:44:32 +0000 He ex pressly denies it more than once in these few lines. Not less was to be looked for from his deep penetration and the purity of his doctrines ; but, although this saves the recti tude of his intention, it does not satisfy philosophical ex actness. For my part, I honestly confess that if extension is to be taken in its true sense, I cannot conceive how taking aways its limits destroys its parts. Autor of the post: Undefined It will have no essential Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 4:58:33 +0000 On the contrary, I should rather say that an infinite extension would have in- finite parts. If it is infinite it will have no figure ; because figure involves a limit; but if it be true extension, it is a sort of immense field on which all imaginable figures may be traced. It will have no essential figure of its own, but it will be the recipient of all figures, the inexhaustible sea from which they all arise. Autor of the post: Undefined I agree that an infinite Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 5:09:11 +0000 That which is traced in it, will be in it ; the points which terminate the figures must be in it. Is not this to have parts, composition ? Infinite exten sion could have no figure, not because it has no parts, or is simple, but because it has infinite parts, because its compo sition is infinite. I agree that an infinite extension would not be divisible, if by dividing, is meant separating; because in that im mense fulness everything would be in its position with infi nite firmness. Autor of the post: Undefined 74 Such clear and conclusive Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 5:25:37 +0000 So also we imagine space, the place of all motion, with its parts immovable, the field of all separation, with its parts inseparable ; but we are treating of division, not of separation. If there is true extension, it is divisible ; we conceive space with its parts inseparable, but still divi sible ; for we measure them, count them, and it is by rela tion to them that we form an idea of the size, distance, and motion of bodies. 74 Such clear and conclusive reflections could not fail to present themselves to the mind of the illustrious philoso pher ; but he seems to have preferred inconsequence or ob scurity of Language to the fatal corollaries of his first pro position. Autor of the post: Undefined He consequently attributed to God Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 5:41:29 +0000 He said plainly and without any restriction, that all that is positive in extension, except the limit, is in God. He had asserted that extension with limits is corporeal, and that to change extension into immensity it was only neces sary to take away its limits. He consequently attributed to God a true, although infinite, extension, and then wishing to explain and strengthen his doctrine he tells us that this extension has no parts. Autor of the post: Undefined To speak of an exten Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 5:58:35 +0000 What is extension without parts ? Who can conceive it ? Does not extension necessarily im ply an order of things of which some are outside of others. It has been always so understood. To speak of an exten sion without parts is to speak of an extension improperly so called. Autor of the post: Undefined To ask if Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 6:14:43 +0000 When speaking of such extension it is not enough to say it has no limits, it should be added that it is of an entirely different nature, that the word extension is used in another sense. Fenelon seemed to know this, when, notwithstanding the obscurity of his former expressions, elevated on the wings of his religion and his genius, he says : " God is in no place, as in no time ; for his absolute and infinite being has no relation to place or time, which are but limits and restrictions of being. To ask if he is be yond the universe, if he exceeds its extremities in length, breadth, and depth, is as absurd a question as to ask if he was before the world, and if he will still be when the world is no more. Autor of the post: Undefined He has not been Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 6:31:07 +0000 As there is neither past nor future in God, so there is neither hither nor thither. As his absolute perma nence excludes all measure of succession, so also his im mensity excludes all measure of extension. He has not been, he will not be, but he is. Autor of the post: Undefined Where then is he ? Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 6:41:42 +0000 In the same manner, to speak properly, he is not here, he is not there, he is not beyond such a limit, but he is, absolutely. All expressions which place him in relation to any term, or fix him in a certain place, are improper and unbecoming. Where then is he ? He is. Autor of the post: Undefined But God is not any Post Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 6:53:11 +0000 He is in such a manner that we must not ask where. That which only half is, or with limits, is a certain thing in such a way that it is nothing else. But God is not any particular and restricted thing. 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